TRANSCRIPT: COVID-19 Directors' Chat - May 7, 2020

 

TRANSCRIPT

Directors' Chat
Thursday, May 7, 2020

 

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Good afternoon, everyone.  Hope you all have a bit of sunshine today!

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:Yes, it is a beautiful day!  I walked to the Library.

  Mary S:Hi Ellen!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:We have some upcoming events that we don't want you to miss.  One is "Everything Trustees Should Know---Covid Webinar":  https://www.librarylearning.info/events/?eventID=31382   It will be next Thursday at 2:00 p.m.  Please encourage trustees and colleagues to attend.

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:Do  you think that libraries will be able to open  the first part of June.

  Anna Ihls:Hello  all, hope it is wonderfully sunny where you are.

  eunice mcclung:hi everyone

  Diana Brawley Sussman:I have a question. I was just reading through listserv discussions, and @Diana Donahoo, I think you'd posted that we're supposed to record our virtual board meetings and provide a link to that recording on our website. I just read through the order and did not see that requirement. Am I missing something, or are we interpreting the order differently?

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:We are  working on our reopening guidelines

  Anna Ihls:I am just going to jump right in here with a tough question. Having any of you disciplined or fired an employee during this time?

  Sherman PLD:I registered and shared with my board today.  Thanks for sharing Ellen.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:@Anna, no

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Rachael  Great!

  Diana Brawley Sussman:@Anna, no.

  Carol B. Daugherty PLD:Anna-Just curious What happened to make you ask?

  Shari / Hope Welty Library: No we have not had any personnel problems during this time

  Debby Nokomis PL:@ Anna, No

  Anna Ihls:@

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD:@ Diana let me look

  Jennifer Cernich (Riverton):@Anna, No.

  Anna Ihls:carol I have had a few different people from a few different librares ask?

  Julia, IHLS:The Municipal Minute included the Governor's full plan, One Page Summary, Phases Chart, and Regions Map: http://municipalminute.ancelglink.com/2020/05/governor-pritzker-releases-restore.html?fbclid=IwAR3x82tFEmRMztbMOtNFWyWmHb-01BsPPS0qqa372gbTqyNxlRNdjEa4j3w

  Diana Brawley Sussman:Any news yet on the lab testing of COVID-19 on various library materials, or official guidance on ensuring materials are safe via quarantine/disinfectant, etc.?

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@ Diana, Susan knows more than I do, but I think they're still waiting for that.

  Susan Colbert - Sparta Public LIbrary:@Anna: No

  Diana Brawley Sussman:@Diana Donahoo, here's the link to the order I read: https://www2.illinois.gov/Documents/ExecOrders/2020/ExecutiveOrder-2020-07.pdf

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Anna- thankfully no, I have not had a problem with staff during this time

  Deb Mason Paxton Carnegie Library:@Anna..I have an assistant who has been paid throughout this time, has come in alone a couple of times to work on projects, but now, looking to begin curbside soon, is hesitant. She doesn't want to loose her job or pay, but is now saying she doesn't want to be around anyone.

  Lisa - Stinson:I haven't had any staff issues either.

  Susan IHLS:@Diana I just was on their webpage and I still don't see any results. May be too early yet. From what I have seen though, quaratining the items for 72 hours seems to be the easiest/cheapest way to ensure the virus is dead. I realize that is not library item specific, however it is paper and plastic specific.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Anna, no

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:The other event we have coming up is part of our HR webinar series.  On the afternoon of  May 18th, a session on "Making Meetings Work" will be offered.  YOu can check out the link at:  https://www.librarylearning.info/events/?eventID=31309

  Susan IHLS:We are trying to have a meeting next week. If I hear anything more, I will share. This is a meeting with IMLS/RAILS Midwest.

  Diane Foote, Illinois Library Association:@Diana Brawley Sussman, the guidance from attorney Dee Jarad posted on the ILA website also does not mention a requirement that boards post a recording of meetings. https://www.ila.org/content/documents/c_municipal_lawila-covid-19-post-3-18-2020.pdf

  Diana Brawley Sussman:@Susan, does it seem then that spraying the materials with disenfectant after 72 hours is an unnecessary step?

  Anna Ihls:@Diane, thanks I was looking for that and could not remember where I saw it.

  Diana Brawley Sussman:@Diane Foote--thanks!

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:I will be having our first Zoom board meeting next week . Do I need to get all the board members the agenda and treasuers report to them ahead of time

  Diane Foote, Illinois Library Association:Ancel, Glink says recording meetings and posting the recording is "encouraged" http://municipalminute.ancelglink.com/2020/03/breaking-illinois-attorney-general.html?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=municipalminute

  Susan IHLS:Also I have noticed in library's reopening plans, quarantining items seems to be the way they are going. 72 hours is the minimum. I have seen some libraries that are going to quarantine for a week.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Deb, does the person have health concerns or possibly an immediate family member that does?  Maybe this person could just work inside with no contact.

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD:@Diana that could have very well been an misunderstanding on my part. and I can't find my source right now. I am going to read what you sent also. But I think you should go with what you think.

  Deb Mason Paxton Carnegie Library:Kathleen- She says she has health concerns. I plan on trying to keep her in the children's department in the basement by herself if she agrees to that.

  Diana Brawley Sussman:Thanks, Susan.

  Susan IHLS:@Diana, I would say yes. It is unnecessary to spray items. Of course that may change after the Battelle study. However, in my opinion, I keep thinking about how mail has been going on this whole time and I think successfully. No cases contributed directly to a piece of mail. And yes, I understand that library items are more than a piece of mail.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Susan, we are planning to quarantine for three days before shelving .. like I have been doing with the book drops through out this SIP

  Lisa - Stinson:I did not record our board meeting. I don't record them in person. Our secretary is supposed to take minutes, but she doesn't so I do that and I just kept notes like I always do and will type up the minutes for approval at our next meeting.

  Anna Ihls:@Susan at the recent MEPL meeting, Directors were curious as to whether delivery will need any days to just catch-up  with everything come back from our members. Can you speak to that?

  Ashley - Caseyville PLD:Anna, no I have not. But I have seen this discussion amoung directors - some issues include: staff not responding to work emails and/or phone calls when they are working from home. Not completeing online trainings, missing online meetings, or missing task deadlines.

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:For those who have staff working limited hours, is Memorial Day still going to be a day off?

  Susan IHLS:@Julie... I think that is a good idea.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Lisa, glad to know I'm not the only one who has to type the minutes, too!  lol

  Diane Foote, Illinois Library Association:The Attorney General's guidance on recording meetings states "You may consider recording the entire meeting...." This language is on p.4: http://foia.ilattorneygeneral.net/pdf/OMA_FOIA_Guide.pdf

  Diane Foote, Illinois Library Association:Doesn't sound like recording is required.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):I still clean the books off coming out of the book drop.. it just makes me feel better.. LOL.. but if our supplies get low, we may have to alter that.

  Lisa - Stinson:@Kathleen, it's crazy :)

  Diana Brawley Sussman:@Lisa, that's what I do as well. I've always taken our minutes--never had a secretary who felt comfortable doing so.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:@Julie - that is what we do.  Wipe them off then let them sit for 3-7 days.  We check in and shelve once a week - on Mondays.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:@ Lisa and Kathleen, I do that too.

  Sherman PLD:Bobbi how is curbside going for you?  I saw your order form: https://www.vwarner.org/curbside-order?fbclid=IwAR1C9RCeoFiEiAa0CVfPdI8yRAT0WXkZQm4a5tYv2i3RMPgd0DZUYESIKao

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:We let its sit for 72 hours then wipe them with soap and water.

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:This is our first pickup day and it’s going really well.

  Anna Ihls:I think the thing to remember about online board meetings is that all of the same OMA requirements are still in place and you conduct your meeting as much like normal meetings as possible but with a real focus on getting your business taken care of.

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:We are going to start curbside next week

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD:@Diana it was in a Municiplal Minute. "Public bodies are encouraged to record the meeting and post the recordings on their websites" Only encouraged, not required. http://municipalminute.ancelglink.com/2020/03/breaking-illinois-attorney-general.html

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Bobbi- soap and water might be what we do if our wipes run out. Great idea!

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:I’m on my phone right now, wrangling a toddler, but I’ll send out a full report later.

  Sherman PLD:Great!

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:Our health dept recommend soap and water.

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:If we do Zoom board meeting do we still have to open it up  to the public to join

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Bobbi:  We've probably all improved our multi-tasking skills!

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:Yes, it’s still a public meeting.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Shari- Yes, I beleive you still have to invite the public to join in--

  Lisa - Stinson:Books tend to be kind of gross anyway, so we are going to have spray bottles of isopropyl alcohol to wipe the covers before the quarantine. The added step probably isn't necessary, but it's a good time to try and clean them up a little. My hands always feel dirty after touching a lot of books.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon:Yes you have to open the meeting to the public and provide information on the agenda on how to do that

  Susan IHLS:From the cdc.gov website....The virus that causes COVID-19 can be killed if you use the right products. EPA has compiled a list of disinfectant products that can be used against COVID-19, including ready-to-use sprays, concentrates, and wipes. Each product has been shown to be effective against viruses that are harder to kill than viruses like the one that causes COVID-19.This document provides a general framework for cleaning and disinfection practices. The framework is based on doing the following:Normal routine cleaning with soap and water will decrease how much of the virus is on surfaces and objects, which reduces the risk of exposure.Disinfection using EPA-approved disinfectants against COVID-19 external iconcan also help reduce the risk.  Frequent disinfection of surfaces and objects touched by multiple people is important.When EPA-approved disinfectants external iconare not available, alternative disinfectants can be used (for example, 1/3 cup of bleach added to 1 gallon of water, or 70% alcohol solut

  Bill from Mt. Vernon:Via Zoom

  Anna Ihls:@Shari yes you have to make it so the public can access the meeting and in someway participating during public comment

  Susan IHLS:Soap and water will kill the virus.

  Mary S:We are recording our board meetings (via Zoom) mostly because our secretary asked to do that. She thought it would help her in creating the minutes. I don't plan on putting the link to the recording on our website but I will store the recording for a long time. Things change so quickly. It would be my luck that I would delete them and then it would be required!

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Thank you Susan- very helpful!

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:ok, That is what I thought on the Zoom meetings. thanks

  Diana Brawley Sussman:@Shari, yes, you must invite the public. However, it's not safe to post a direct link to a Zoom meeting. On my agenda, I wrote: Electronic meeting open to the public, email (my email address) for meeting access.

  Mary S:Diana, that's exactly what I put on my agenda as well

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:@Diana - are we allowed to do that? I’ve heard conflicting information

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD:I did the same as Diana regarding the meeting link for the same reason..safety!

  Teresa (Paris):For our first zoom meeting, I placed a note at the top of the agenda on our website that public comments and requests for password were accepted until 30 minutes before the meeting.

  Lisa - Stinson:I did the same as Diana as well.

  Anna Ihls:@Diana that is a good way to handle public participation but some sort of instruction on how the public can participate must be on the agenda you post for the public.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):Anna wrote an article on virtual board meetings in which you can find more information: https://www.illinoisheartland.org/blog/board-meetings-during-shelter-in-place

  Diana Brawley Sussman:@Anna (some sort of instruction beyond instructions to email me for access? And @Bobbi, do you know where you've heard conflicting info on this?

  Lisa - Stinson:I added that those wishing to attend the meeting via Zoom could email me for instructions. No one did, but I would have explained to anyone interested just as I had to explain to most of my board members how to use Zoom.

  Anna Ihls:With public access the trick is to deter trolls but make it easy enough for legitimate public members to attend. You can not make it too onerus or you might be seen as violatng the spirit of OMA.

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:I was in a meeting where another director said requiring email access was a barrier to meeting attendance.

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion Library:As for not putting the Zoom meeting access info on the agenda for the public to access I heard in a different meeting that this put another layer of difficulty for the public to have access and so should have it on the Agenda.  Is this what most think is correct?

  Bill from Mt. Vernon:I have been told that after the public comments section you can mute the publics microphones.

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:We enabled waiting room and mute upon entry

  Mary S:I wouldn't interpret email access as a barrier. I think of it as an option.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Bill, we've all learned from our multiple Zoom meetings over the last several weeks tht the more microphones as muted, the better.

  Lisa - Stinson:I may be wrong, it's been so long since I created my Zoom account, but isn't an email required to access it?

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:No, someone can type in the link.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Lisa.  Not really, all you do is click on a link.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):I don't believe an email is require to attend a Zoom meeting, just to host one

  Lisa - Stinson:Ok thanks.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Lisa- ID number to the meeting also should work.. I am zoom rookie though- so?

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:Yes, that also works.

  Lisa - Stinson:@Shandi, that's probably what I'm thinking about. And I email all my staff with the link for our weekly staff meeting.

  Anna Ihls:I or anyone else can contact the PAC and ask. I think your method Diane and Diana is ok but I will try to make sure . Bill I know your method is also popular.

  Diana Brawley Sussman:When you set up a zoom meeting you get a link to send out. You can require a password as well. People could attend by phone too. They'd just need the meeting ID and the password if you've selected to require a password.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):I am hosting my first Zoom staff meeting tomorrow, we ve been texting, emailing and phone -- now on to videoconferencing. It should be fun if everything goes as planned.

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:We’ve been using Zoom for our staff meetings. it works well.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):Chris Boggs at the IL attorney generals office told a story about a board wanting to hold their meeting offsite 30-minutes away, so they hired a bus to take people there for free. However, that was still deemed a barrier to access. If that's so, then I would guess that requesting access by email would also be a barrier because the public couldn't join at the last moment. At least, it would be much more difficult, especially if the email was filtered out for some reason.

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion Library:Mt. Zion is having their 1st Board Meeting via Zoom this coming Tuesday.  For those that have held them, do you recommend requiring a password?

  Lisa - Stinson:@Julie we've really enjoyed our weekly staff meetings. I actually look forward to them and used to hate in person staff meetings... so strange.  I think we are going to continue doing our staff meetings on Zoom after this is over since we all work different hours and at different branches.

  Teresa (Paris):@Maria  Yes

  Anna Ihls:@Shandi and all, the best way to be safe is to ask the PAC Puclic Access Counselor at the Attorney General's office. They are very helpful and provide a quick turn around . When in doubt contact them

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:This is about board meetings, but in a different vein.  I've been keeping a list of everything I've been doing over the shut down and am going to hand it out at our board meeting next week.  Not that I have to, but I want the board to see just how much is involved in still keeping up with library business and adjusting to this whole situation.  Sometimes I think it is good to remind them of just how much has to go into making the library world spin, so to speak.

  Michelle Sawicki Barclay Public Library:Maria, I would say it depends on your board. I wouldn't use a password if they are technologically challenged

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):If you put the password and the link on the agenda, though, it would still help prevent Zoombombing. That's often done, from my understanding, when people find the link on social media and/or they type in a random zoom link and get lucky.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):bobbi, my twenty something daughters zoom with me every Sunday- they set it up though. I tried last week and failed to scehdule it properly. I hope to have one daughter on standby tomorrow if I run into trobule

  Diana Brawley Sussman:With Zoom it's important to schedule a meeting to get a unique link to that meeting, rather than using the default link to your room, which never changes (leaving your room available for anyone to use at any time).

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):@Kathleen, good idea.

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:I also have been keeping a notebook of all the work I have been doing from home and meetings that I have attended.

  Lisa - Stinson:@Kathleen, i've been sending an update to all my board members at least every other week so I don't lose track of all that the staff have been doing. I have notes in like 5 different places. Hopefully this afternoon I can condense it all downn to one location. This has been crazy.

  Mary S:I send a weekly email to the board to let them know what I've been doing. I also let them know what the staff has been working on...virtual story hours, book clubs via Facebook, circ staff emptying the book drop twice a week. It changed a couple members' attitudes in regards to not wanting to pay staff during closure.

  Teresa (Paris):@Kathleen I've done that, too, for my own information. Never thought of showing the board.

  Anna Ihls:Diana i think creating a scheduled meeting is another good way to cut down on attacks as I said I will pose all of your questions to the PAC and then share out their response on the Directors list.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Kathllen, you're really smart to do that!  I'll give another shoult out to ILA's Bigger Than the Building Initiative that also points out the work you've all been doing remotely.  Here's that link:  https://www.ila.org/advocacy/bigger-than-a-building

  Diana Brawley Sussman:Zoom offers daily live webinars to help you figure out how to use it https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360029527911

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Kathleen- I think that is a great idea. I ve been emailing my board with updates nearly weekly- just so they know how hard I ve been working ( and the staff too- is now doing training videos, barcording from Leap, etc ) We are earning our paychecks, just in different ways.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Troy Brown and John Knirr on our staff are both great resource people for Zoom.

  Lisa - Stinson:@Ellen, Bigger Than the Building is amazing!!

  Ashley - Caseyville PLD:What supplies or equipment is everyone purchasing in preparation for opening?!  We will have sneeze guards, PPE for all staff, AND we just received our foot operated door openers! They are very reasonable. I will be installing them on all of our doors that pull open. https://www.stepnpull.com/  They can be ordered straight from the website or from Amazon.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):Here is the contact information for the public access counselor Anna mentioned: Sarah Pratt, Public Access Counselor, 1-877-299-FOIA (1-877-299-3642) publicaccess@atg.state.il.us

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):We have a small development on  PPE. Let me get the info...

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):I wanted to especially thank IHLS and Share for helping my staff member navigate through LEAP to do the barcoding from home the past week or two. We are very grateful to Edie, Dena and everyone involved. I need to send them an email later to thank them.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:That's good to hear, Julie!

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Ellen- thanks- I will keep Troy and John in mind as well,

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Diana- I have been studying those webinars from Zoom.. very helpful as well, thanks though for the extra tip

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):One of the vendors that provides a discount to IHLS-member libraries, Team One, can also provide PPE to IHLS/RAILS/ILA members. You can find more information under the PPE headline at https://www.illinoisheartland.org/covid19/resources-for-librarians

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Ahsley,

  Ashley - Caseyville PLD:We have a very small staff size so I was able to get most of the PPE through Amazon. One staff member bought herself a variety of fun cloth masks to change it up.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:@Ashley: We have heavy mostly glass doors.  I looked at the description real quick but thought I would ask what your doors are like? 

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Ashley-- we are having those plexiglass barriers made - loading up on germ x, we have masks ready-- I think we will have those dots on the floor somehow,, it is all too staggering to think about sometimes..

  Ashley - Caseyville PLD:Our doors are metal with glass.  I will let you know how they work once we get them installed. Julie - good idea about the dots on the floor!

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:does anyeone know where I can get more germ x

  Bill from Mt. Vernon:We are going to start with curbside and then go to a limited opening after awhile (see if the second wave closes things again)

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):@Ashley, I think people will appreciate having foot operated door openers on bathroom doors LONG after the worst of coronavirus has past! :)

  Lisa - Stinson:My mother in law is making cloth masks (3 each) for all of my staff, we are just having trouble finding enough hand saitizer. I did finally find disinfectant concentrate last night, I had read that checking in the pet section where people don't think to look might work, and it did. It's dog kennel disinfectant, but plainly states it is good for general home use as well.

  Anna Ihls:What will you miss if you have been working remotely and do you think you have learned anything?

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion Library:I know we are all focusing on what we will look like once we do reopen, but I am working on a Pandemic Policy (for the future - which may be as soon as September).  I know links to what one should contain have been posted, but does anyone have one already in place or in the works?  If so, I’d be grateful to see it?

  Mary S:I purchased a couple of cute signs from myparkingsign.com for the children's area that say "keep 6 feet apart--that's 4 dancing penguins".

  Lisa - Stinson:@Billl, that's what we are planning too.

  Anna Ihls:What do you think your patrons may have learned?

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Love it, Mary S.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Thanks Shandi-- I ordered isophyl alcohol to make some hand sanitizer, It wont be here til maybe May 15- I will check out those vendors to see if we can get some more. I think we are going to need it.

  Diana Brawley Sussman:I looked over the governor's reopening plan with its various stages. It limits gatherings to 10 people for quite a while. I just posed this question to the listserve, but I'll pose it here too. Do we think that a gathering means 10 people in a building? Would that mean that if I have 4 staff in the building I can only allow 6 patrons to come in at a time?I'm really starting to wish that we had library-specific guidelines. As it is, the governor has lumped libraries in with city services and asked cities to decide for themselves which services are essential.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Lisa- Great idea!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Diana.  I hope there will be more information on that.  I've thought a lot about 10 people and diverse sizes of your buildings.

  Anna Ihls:Diana I had not considered the staff count into the equation. That does make it tough.

  Lisa - Stinson:@Anna I honestly think most of our patrons are not taking this seriously. I just read an article in the New York Times this morning about so many people thinking that the whole virus has been exaggerated. I'm a little nervous about opening in any capacity.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Shari, our cleaning supplier just delivered us hand sanitizer.  $84.00 for a case of 12, 10 oz. bottles.  It's not germ-x brand.  I can send you the sales rep contact info if you want it.  If you do, just give me your email address.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:@Shari We have been able to find hand sanitizer here and there.  It needs to be at least 60% ethyl alcohol which is also ethynol or at least 70% isopropyl alcohol to meet CDC requirements.

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:Kathleen thanks . Hopeweltylibrary @gmail.com

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Anna- working at home has had its upsides, plus I have not had to use an alarm clock for 6 weeks now, my days are just a series of lists, I do not stop working till those lists are completed or I get hungry for supper.. spoiled in some ways.

  Anna Ihls:@Lisa, I definitely agree and am very worry as we move ahead with out testing or vaccines

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Shari, I'll send info later this afternoon.

  Michelle Sawicki Barclay Public Library:10 is such an ambiguous number too. My tiny library would feel pretty full with 10 people while it wouldn't be many at all in a bigger library

  Lisa - Stinson:@Anna, me too.

  Susan IHLS:https://www.bluestemvodka.com/  Might want to check some local distilleries. I know several are switching over to making sanitizer. This one is in Bethalto, Illinois

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:I have a huge building, so 10 people could easily spread out. I looked at as a gathering of 10 people in a room together.

  Mary S:I think the majority of my community feels that since there have been no deaths that we can just ignore guidelines and go back to "normal". I plan on re-opening slowly and I know I will get some pretty heavy pressure to move things along more quickly.

  Michelle Sawicki Barclay Public Library:It is definitely not an exciting idea to be returning to libraries where people seem to alwasy come in sick and cough all over everything. But alas, we will all do our best

  Mary S:No deaths in our county

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Bethalto is close to me,, thanks Susan- I will check them out ASAP

  Joan - Germantown:@Shari, I just found gallon jugs of hand sanitizer at a place called sugarcreeksanitizer.com.  You can use it to refill other containers or dispensers or buy a pump dispenser on Amazon to just screw onto the gallon jug.

  Diana Brawley Sussman:One of our staff members asked about plastic keyboard covers for easier cleaning. I asked Lazerware about it and they are looking into it for us. They're looking at whether those covers are the best option, or whether some keyboard models are better than others at withstanding frequent disinfection.

  Teresa (Paris):@Maria  Reopening plan links on RAILS site https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HlWYyxa1nudKTLL9ObDLZSqWXuFv5jXW3XA63V8TDBA/edit?usp=sharing

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Anna, I don't think a lot of people in my area are taking it seriously either.  Like others, I'm worried about people's response to asking them to wear masks, etc.  But, I think us being closed has made a lot of people in our area a lot more appreciative of the library and its services.

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:I’m following guidelines from my health department. Even the complaining patrons have seemed to understand that a lot of this is above my pay grade.

  Lisa - Stinson:Silent Brigade Distillery in Paducah is making hand sanitizer as well, it's a little pricey though.

  Anna Ihls:@Teresa, thanks for sharing it. I have looked at so much stuff I am starting to have a hard time recalling what I saw where. I am sure many of you are too.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): i worry too that people who do not live near Chicago think this is completely over blown-- have they not seen the death stat for ILLi.. ? It worries me greatly.

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion Library:Thanks, Teresa!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:I agree with Bobbi that the health departments are a great resource!

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:Sadly, at least in my area, there are people who think the government is lying about the numbers for...reasons.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):I have it on my calendar to give our health dept a call in a couple of weeks to see what it looks like here in Macoupin--

  Lisa - Stinson:@Bobbi, same here.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:I bought a set of three plastic covers for our keyboards through Amazon.  They seem a little flimsy. I want to see if the press and seal glad wrap would be a better choice.  I keep forgetting to put it on my shoppikng list. There is a glare issue with the plastic covers, too.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):For those looking at reopening plans,  we've collected several from other states and have shared them on our COVID-19 Resources for Librarians page under the heading "Returning to Service" https://www.illinoisheartland.org/covid19/resources-for-librarians

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):There are at least four cases in Staunton today all from our nursing home. I hope it stays at four cases, but these things are never good .

  Anna Ihls:I also wonder about people like me who live in Carbondale but have family I am anxious t see in Peoria and Chicago and Cincinnati Ohio. and with my jb traveling to so many places. I wonder ifI could acci;dentally cary the germs from one region to another. This is very complex and new ground for everyone.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):As Illinois library plans are shared with us we'll be able to post some of those, too

  eunice mcclung:I believe until we get an antibiotic for this virus we still have to be on the cautious side. we have to be safe than sorry. I have a tiny library and computers are so close together. Ive wiped down tables and everything but we can't be too careful.

  Brenda Gilpatrick Red Bud Public Library:Our county has had 2 deaths and over 200 positive cases so opening will be a slow process. And we are a rural county.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:There are/have been 8 cases in Bond County - one death.

  Susan IHLS:I believe East Peoria is actually opening up. Or has...

  Lisa - Stinson:We went from 32 cases Tuesday to 48 yesterday in Union County. We have a couple cases in one nursing home, the rest are not.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Erring on the side of caution is never a bad thing!

  Lisa - Stinson:And one death Monday in Union county.

  Mary S:Lisa that's a lot for your area. Union County is not heavily populated I believe.

  Anna Ihls:@Susan that is what makes it so confusing as to what is opening up where and  what are the risks. I feel like the counts are off because of the lack of  the ability to test.

  Lisa - Stinson:It's huge for our area.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Anna- it is worrisome. we all try to stay as safe as we can but there is no way to tell if we ve been infected or not. I am glad I have plenty to keep me busy right now.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@ Julie, you're right.  I've been happy to be busy!

  Mary S:I have a feeling we will open and maybe close again. This won't be a linear process.

  Anna Ihls:@Mary S. I agree

  Lisa - Stinson:@Mary I think that too. This isn't going away anytime soon, altough I wish it would.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:The governor did talk about the possibility of moving back and forth between the phases.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):It will be soul crashing to open and then having to close again but it very well could happen.

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:I see another flair up coming in the fall.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon:Stay safe

  Anna Ihls:I just don't want to infect others.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):thank you all for having this space to compare ideas and plans, It has helped me greatly here in Staunton

  Mary S:Thanks Bill

  Bobbi Perryman- Vespasian Warner:Thanks, everyone!

  Lisa - Stinson:Yes thank you, I look forward to these chats.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Hope to "talk" with you all next Monday!

  Shari / Hope Welty Library:Thanks for sharing ideas and infomation

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Lisa, do you think your increase in numbers is because people are getting lax in social distancing, etc.?  We're a rural area, too, with only two cases., but a lot of people seem to have been lax this whole time.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (IHLS Edwardsville):@Ellen, can you tell us about the Directors' Chat schedule for May? I know there are a few days we will not be having chats. (An email about that will go out on Monday)

  Debby Nokomis PL:Thank you all for sharing ideas and worries. It helps. Stay safe.

  Lisa - Stinson:Bye and stay safe everyone!

  Kristen ( Palestine Public Library):Another very informative chat - Thank you!

  Julia, IHLS:You can find the chat transcripts here: https://illinoisheartland.org/connect/directors-chat

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion Library:Thank you all

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Thanks everyone,, stay well!

  Kay Burrous  Suth Macon:Stay safe!!!

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:Thank you all.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:thank you!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:We'll cancel the chats on the 14th and the 18th of this month because of the Trustee and HR Source Webinars.  The chat on the 25th will be not be held because that's Memorial Day!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Take care, all!

  Ramona - Lebanon:Thanks!!!!!

  Janet Howard:Rural King in Litchfield has gallon jugs of hand sanitizer for about $60.

  Anna Ihls:Have a great weekend all. See you at nexr weeks webinars.