TRANSCRIPT: COVID-19 Directors' Chat - September 3, 2020


Directors' Chat
Thursday, September 3, 2020


Bill from Mt. Vernon: What are people doing about the Social Security change. We probably (waiting for Board approval) won't do it.

Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): We are opting out in Monticello.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: JUST SAY NO to this nonsense

Maria Dent - Mt. Zion District Library: Our accountant felt strongly that it is a bad idea for us, so we are not either.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: Good afternoon, everyone!

Ellen Popit/IHLS: Did you find the link on the new L2?

bill from Mt. Vernon: Not yet

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Hello Ellen. And Susan. And everyone else!

bill from Mt. Vernon: Not yet

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We are not doing anything with it until we get actual guidelines.

Susan IHLS Operations Director: Good afternoon!

Rachel-Sherman PLD: Do we create a new password for the new L2?

Ellen Popit/IHLS: Is everyone ready for the long weekend?

Rachel-Sherman PLD: Nevermind.  It's the old one

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Yes! I've had/am having meetings every day this week including Saturday.

Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): @ Ellen - three whole days in a row.  I can't wait.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Rachel, you use your old password!

Ellen Popit/IHLS: I'm sure people will be logging on later as we navigate new L2..  

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Every weekend seems to be a long weekend these days. And the weeks are even longer.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: How are things going at your libraries?

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: VERY SLOW

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We're at about half of our normal usuage right now, but things are tending up.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: *trending

bill from Mt. Vernon: Slowly picking up

Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): We are still open at reduced hours.  Slow during open times but curbside is picking up again.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: I hope many of you got to watch ILA's webinar yesterday.  It was wonderful!  Bobbi was a participant and did a wonderful job and Brenda Gilpatrick and Susan Colbert got a very lovely Shout-Out!

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: :)

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD: I think once I'm used to it, I'm going to like the new L2. I've already registered for a meeting.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Very limited numbers on campus

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Is the new L2 out now? I must have missed it.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: It's a soft opening, Scott and we're all learning.

Rachel-Sherman PLD: Playing around with it now

Don Pippin, Philo: We are not taking part in the tax reduction shenanigans.

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD: @Scott--I don't think it's been made official. Like Ellen said--sofft opening

Gary Naglich, Worden PLD: Our attendance for August was down 40% from what it was in 201.9.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: Here's a link to yesterday's webinar: The title was reopening Small and Rural Libraries----it was great!

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: I told my staff not to bother doing head counts this semester.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We are still at reduced hours. We just opened up some seating areas, mainly to accommodate remote learners.

Don Pippin, Philo: Anyone see the new REALM report??

Felicia - Eldorado: we are still open limited hours too. Everytime I think we might increase hours, numbers start going back up again.

Christi (Glen Carbon): I saw them.  I think we're keeping our interior quarantine at 4 days, since we wipe all of the covers down before they go back out.  I think the paper pages is still just a couple days.

Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): @ Felicia - I think the same way.  But I think it would be irresponsible to add hours as our numbers increase.  

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Delivery Working Group is meeting tomorrow. Sorry, Susan, that's your news...

Felicia - Eldorado: Exactly, Lisa. I’m in agreement with you.

Susan IHLS Operations Director: @ worries! We actually had a statewide meeting today in which it was discussed. I will share that tomorrow with the working group!

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Don, yes.  How on earth would we have room to stand items up and not stack them as they come back?

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Are you all monitoring the case counts and such in your areas? I'm amazed that Coles didn't make the warning list.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Kathleen, people are using tables when they can.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: One of my folks suggested treating them like hamburgers - lay them on the floor, and turn them over after 3 days...

Ellen Popit/IHLS: Ha!

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Ellen, we have a tiny work room.  Barely big enough to walk around.  I'd have to set tables up in the middle of the public area, and I don't think that's a good idea with quarantined items.  I'm in a quandry as to what to do.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: We have caution tape that is "closing" our stacks. I may try to rope off a larger portion of one of our areas and use that as a quarantine area if needed.

Don Pippin, Philo: We don't have the space to not stack returns, so will probably look into quarantining longer and possibly invest in those UV light devices.  

Don Pippin, Philo: Wish I had money to invest in one of the companies that sells the UV lights.

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Are the UV lights a proven method?  I was thinking about looking into one.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Don, go slowly on the UV devices. The science on them is not great, aside from the larger and more expensive ones used in hospitals. Lots of people are selling them with very little evidenxe to support how well they actually work.

Don Pippin, Philo: I don't know.  Was going to do some research/reading tonight

Don Pippin, Philo: @Scott, that was kind of my feeling with what little I had seen.  Most likely will just quarantine longer.

Anna Yackle- IHLS: Sorry had a struggle getting in and joining. Yes I have some good articles about whether or not the UV lights are effective that I will share after this meeting.

Don Pippin, Philo: Thanks Anna.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: I'd love it if there were truly effective, it would make this process SO much easier. There are obviously benefits, or hospitals wouldn't be using them. But those units are not cheap. There are some potentially promising developments on the horizon, but I'm not sure we are there yet

Don Pippin, Philo: Changing topic, what are you all doing to de-stress.  I knew I was hitting the wall when I found myself not being able to sleep through the night for several days and just feeling angry/grumpy all the time.

Christi (Glen Carbon): Has anyone heard of electrolyzed water or Hypochlorous Acid?

Anna Yackle- IHLS: @Scott, I was looking at a list a week or so ago that talked about the reates at Illinois state universities and Eastern seemed to be on the high side.

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: No, what are they?

Rachel-Sherman PLD: @Don Yoga! :)

Christi (Glen Carbon): It's supposed to be a nonchemical disinfectant.  Much safer for long term use

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Illinois State has a real problem. I heard today that Cole's County's rate has hit 8%, but haven't seen confirmation

Don Pippin, Philo: @Rachel,  :)

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Don - cheesy horror movies for me. I also turn my email alterts off on the weekends. I've been doing yoga and working on mindfulness.

Rachel-Sherman PLD: Agree with Bobbi.  Email alerts off.  No social media.

Carrie Russell - Maroa Public: @Don, I hear you.  De-stressing has been difficult for me.  New director, only 3 months in before Covid, so I was still learning the job.  Nearly quit a few times during all this!  I'm just now finding myself NOT having nightmares about the job.  LOL

Anna Yackle- IHLS: @Bobbi and Don I love the cheesy horror movies and all the true crime shows I can handle.

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Don, I've quit working on stuff at home.  I've always worked on stuff in the evenings at home, but just decided enough is enough.  I've borrowed some Father Brown and Doc Martin DVDS and watch one of them before I go to bed.

Don Pippin, Philo: Something that has helped, oddly enough, is I started reading Dante's Inferno.  I saw your presentation yesterday Bobbi, it was helpful for some othe ideas to tackle.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Don, that was one of the topics during yesterday's webinar.  People were very conscious of the need to de-stress and the need to take care of ourselves in order to support others.

Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: @ Anna I love true crime!

Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): I de-stress by reading.  I've been reading about 3-4 books a week.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: This is what I use to look at County rates:  Is there anything you like better?

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: This is what I check as well.

Carrie Russell - Maroa Public: I was out of the office yesterday, but watched yesterday's presentation this morning.  Wonderful!  Nice job, Bobbi!

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: I also look at our local county health dept website for more detailed information. They will give the town and ages of the people with positive test results.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Yikes, @Carrie. That is some bad timing. My daughter finished her Library Science program last December, and was starting to job hunt, but has put things on hold and went back to teaching as a TA until things calm down...

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Thanks, Carrie

Mahomet John H: I'm on vacation, just heard that the new Battelle report was in, and popped on here to find out how people are responding to it.  

Anna Yackle- IHLS: Yesterday ILA's Small and Rural Library Forum had a webinar about all the aspects of reopening with our own Bobbi Perry, Krystal Gulley, Tammy Grah and Janet McAllister. They did a great job and shared many great ideas I think it is worth the watch. Here is the link:

Peggy MVE: I check the Maidson Co health Department for daily numbers.

Mahomet John H: I haven't read the report yet, as I understand it it says 6+ days for stacked items.  I had guessed that something like that would be the outcome....

Mahomet John H: Figures fricking COVID would ruin my short vacation.

bill from Mt. Vernon: Our health department posts the numbers on Facebook. Good news the county is no longer in the warning category.

Celeste @ Urbana Free: how is mask compliance at your libraries, and do you ask people to leave if they don't wear their mask properly after X number of warnings? or do you just keep helping them be safe by reminding again.

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: John, I glanced at it this morning.  Six days is what they're up to now.

Mahomet John H: So do we immediately stretch our quarantine times if we don't have the equipment to disinfect our books and DVD's?  I need an answer to my staff that are already asking.

Don Pippin, Philo: @Scott, my youngest daughter just completed her certification for school librarian and started this week at Charleston Middle school. Memorable first years for our daughters to talk about when they are old.  I applaud all of the school staff tackling this year.

Carrie Russell - Maroa Public: @Celeste, we've not had any compliance problems at all, thankfully.  If they don't have one when they come in we offer them one.  Worst we've had is a couple of eyerolls, but that's all.

Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): @ Celeste - we have only had one person refuse to wear the mask.  We've been lucky.  And she is actually a patron from another library district who I think was going around to see what libraries are enforcing the mask.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: We have [quite surprisingly, considering] had no significan problems at Lake Land. A couple people were trying the "under the nose" bit in here, but pulled them up as soon as I asked them to.

Mahomet John H: @Celeste mask compliance has been at basically 100% in Mahomet.  I credit two signs as you enter our building, and then a staffed greeter station with a masked greeter as the reason we have had nearly no difficulties with enforcement.

Don Pippin, Philo: @John, I will probably add 2 days to what we are doing now.

Mahomet John H: We discussed masks as a staff and decided we would also remind people that were doing the "under the nose"method.  Even that we don't  have to do a lot of.

Mahomet John H: @Don what are you doing now?

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: John, it recommended longer quarantine times if cleaning/disinfecting couldn't be done or if in doubt.

Anna Yackle- IHLS: My daughter has a BFA with a major in Illustration but now thinks she wants to work in libraries. She is dipping her toe in with this program I heard about on ARSL. The price is good and the program seems solid. She is my guinea pig but I think the program might be of interest to some of you as well. Here is a link to find out more. It is only 2 semesters.

Don Pippin, Philo: 4 days.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We have pretty good mask compliance. When patrons come in without one, we hand them a paper one and tell them the health department requires it.

Rachel-Sherman PLD: @Celeste We're small enough that I can keep the door locked, and if someone isn't wearing a mask we give one to the patron before letting them come in.  I've had one woman say she'd rather stay outside.  We have a table with big bottles of hand sanitizer right as you walk in and we ask everyone to use it as well.  

Mahomet John H: We are currently doing 6 day quarantine.  I'm thinking I could set up my meeting room to do unstacked quarantining and cut down the time, but it means that staff has to handle the books right out of the book drop which I have been avoiding so far.

Gary Naglich, Worden PLD: Celeste, People at our library are complying with the mask policy.  We also have free masks for those who forget.  

bill from Mt. Vernon: So far they are complying with the mask requirements, with few complaints. We also give out free masks to those who don't have one and Face Shields to those who can't wear one (we get the shields back and disinfect them).

Rachel-Sherman PLD: @ Celeste I'm polite but firm in approach.  I also tell people to pull the mask over their nose if it sems clear they aren't wearing it correctly on purpose.   My staff really appreciate the vigilance.

Mahomet John H: FYI for yoiu small libraries.  Virtual ARSL conference is only $65 for non members and they have a LOT of good programs planned.  You may never get a better opportunity to attend ARSL cheap.

Mahomet John H: I am signing up 5+ of my staff to attend virtual ARSL and the group rate is only $45/per person.

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD: We don't have the space to have our books unstacked. :(

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: The million dollar question right now - how much live virus is enough to be a serious threat? The tests are finding live virus, but there is no real way of telling how much of a concentration will be needed to cause a successful transmission.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Scott, you're spot on!!!!!

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We don't either, Esther

Mahomet John H: And note that virtual ILA is prety reasonably priced as well.  Good opportunties to get access to online conferences at a budget price, and if like me you had budgeted for people to attend in person, you can spend that money instead on getting multiple people to attend virtually.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: RAILS is now doing seven-day quarantine for their delviery. Is this likely to happen at IHLS?

Brenda Gilpatrick  Red Bud Public Library: I'm not changing quarantine times until Susan tells us to!

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: No one really wants to take any chances, which I am COMPLETELY OK with. My risk level is moderately high, so I'm good with caution.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: And.....attending those virtual conferences is a very nice way to support those agencies.

Mahomet John H: @Scott and Ellen, you are right, this is a very good question.  But we are supposed to be getting those answers from the Battelle studies.

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD: @Scott--that has been my question. How long before it won't make you sick. The virus was "detected" on the 1st cruise ship after 19 days, but not enough to infect anyone.

Celeste @ Urbana Free: Glad to hear you have such good mask compliance. It's pretty good here, with a couple of regulars who"forget", and two who have yelled at staff. Writing warning letters to follow the Rules of Behavior for those patrons.

Anna Yackle- IHLS: @John ARSL Membership is very inexpensive as well. It is worth joining with a great discussion group, all kinds of resources. Yes the conferences are always excellent and well worth the money.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: @Esther - no one knows, that's the problem. There isn't a transmission threshold that I have ever seen anywhere, it probably isn't quantified.

Mahomet John H: Cheap registration deadline for ARSL is Sep 14th I think.  And Sep 26th if I remember correct is early bird cutoff for ILA.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: I second joing ARSL. It's a worthwhile organization.

Mahomet John H: you won't get better content anywhere if you are a small library than from ARSL.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: Question - does ARSL focus on public libraries exclusively?

Mahomet John H: Their conference sessions tend to be very practical.  Unlike ILA where you go to a marketing sessions and they are like "well, we only have 4 full-time people doing marketing, but here is what we do..."  But despite that, you can get pretty helpful stuff at ILA as well.

Scott Drone-Silvers - Lake Land College: My library is certainly small...

Mahomet John H: @Scott I think mostly, yes, unless someone else tells you differently.  Definitely not focused on academic libraries.

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: I saw on the Batelle graphic the initials "LOQ"., at least I think that's what is was.  That was a couple hours ago, and my brain no longer holds very much! Ha! I couldn't find an explanation of what that is.  Does anyone know?

Anna Yackle- IHLS: If you join ARSL the cost is only $50 and their are three rates for membership based on income. go here for more details John is right very practical. Scott I am not sure but I tend to think it is just publics but I could see where a community college  would be an interesting and useful addition.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @scott- All the ARSL sessions I've seen have been geared towards publics, but much of it can apply to other types of libraryes (marketing, management, etc.)

Anna Yackle- IHLS: I can say that those of us who love ARSL we really love it.

Kyla - Mississippi Valley LD: @Kathleen - if you download the report, it explains what LOQ stands for and what its significance is

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Thank you Kyla!

Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: @Kathleen Rister "As part of the project's Phase 1 research, Battelle has conducted two natural attenuation ... The limit of quantitation (LOQ) of this assay is 13.1 TCID50 units."

Susan IHLS Operations Director: We had a statewide meeting this morning with Greg McCormick (ISL), Dee Brennan (RAILS) Monica Harris (RAILS), Anne Craig (CARLI) Diane Day (CARLI) and a couple of other folks from CARLI. And Ellen and myself. Based on the statewide conversation, we will be going to the 7 day quarantine for the whole state of Illinois.

Rachel-Sherman PLD: Thanks for letting us know Susan.  

Don Pippin, Philo: Susan,  Thanks for sharing that information with us

Carrie Russell - Maroa Public: Thanks, Susan.  Not "good" news, but we appreciate the heads-up.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Thanks for the head's up

Susan IHLS Operations Director: Thank you! We were trying to get our ducks in a row so all communication would be at the same time, but transparency is truly what we believe in.

Rachel-Sherman PLD: It's funny...7 days is what I was originally doing before the Battelle tests.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Do we know when?

Don Pippin, Philo: For those of you who put your text in other colors.  Thanks.  It helps in reading  that not everything is in black. :)

Mahomet John H: Well I need to read the Battelle report, meet with my leadership staff, change our quarentine periods, discuss changing our quarantine methods, pause returns and handling of materials for the moment.

Mahomet John H: And here I thought i was taking a nap this afternoon.

Susan IHLS Operations Director: I do so see the value in the whole state having the same quarantine times. It does make sense. And years from now, we don't want to look back and say "IF we just would have added two more days..."

Carrie Russell - Maroa Public: @Bobbi - I'm  going to inform my staff to start today (as soon as this meeting is over).  Might as well.

Rachel-Sherman PLD: Thanks for making the tough choices Susan

Anna Yackle- IHLS: Sorry, I know some of you are frustrated adn some of your patrons will be extremely cranky about the longer times added to their wait times. Does anyone have a good way of stating the change to your public? After all we are doing it for their benefit .

Susan IHLS Operations Director: I thank all of you. We totally understand the impact on the items and patrons.

Mahomet John H: Susan does the science support 7 days or is that an interim receommendatino at this point because we are unsure?

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Thanks Diana!

Susan IHLS Operations Director: The report stopped testing at 6 days. And you and Scott are correct in that there have not been studies looking at the transmission viability. I am sure eventually that will be looked at. And when that happens, we will of course adjust if necessary our times. I would love to see the times go back down. Which eventually may happen. My crystal ball has not been cooperating

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Thank you, IHLS staff. I know you're wokring hard for us and I know this situation is tough on you too.

Carrie Russell - Maroa Public: @Anna, we're not announcing specific changes to our patrons.  If they place a hold from another library, we just tell them that it's taking longer than normal because of quarantines for their safety and leave it at that.  The times are so fluid right now, we don't want to muddy the waters.  They've all been understanding.

Don Pippin, Philo: Everyone have a joy filled day.  Bye till next week.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Carrie, that makes sense.

Anna Yackle- IHLS: It is time for us to wrap up. Thank you for joining us and we will see you next week.

Ellen Popit/IHLS: It's 2:00!  Stay tuned for more from Susan and everyone have a lovely, restful long weekend!

Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Thank you!

Carrie Russell - Maroa Public: Thanks to all you IHLS folks!  

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Thank you!

Peggy MVE: Thank you

Denise Karns Norris City Library: Thank you!

Christi (Glen Carbon): Thank you!