TRANSCRIPT: IHLS Directors' Chat - February 24, 2022


Directors' Chat
Thursday, February 24, 2022


Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Hello Michelle! I a m going to share some quotes so you have something to read while you wait for us to start. I found these lovely quotes from a site called Filling the Jars: Decluttering ad Intentional Living for the Overwhelmed Overthinker.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  “Behold, my friends, the spring is come; the earth has gladly received the embraces of the sun, and we shall soon see the results of their love!”

― Sitting Bull

“…I hear the sounds of melting snow outside my window every night and with the first faint scent of spring, I remember life exists…”

― John Geddes, A Familiar Rain

“Spring is not yet here, but the song of a solitary, pioneering blackbird when I wake, the smell of something warm and floral on the air in fleeting moments, these signs give me hope.”

― Tracy Rees, Amy Snow


Anna Yackle - IHLS:  “A single sunbeam is enough to drive away many shadows.”

― Francis of Assisi

“Winter is already a lost shape, forgotten in the ground. Instead, here is Spring with all the grace of a woman smoothing out her apron.”

― Cecilia Llompart, The Wingless

“And all about, the softening air

Of new-born sweetness tells,

And the ungathered Mayflowers wear

The tint of ocean shells.

The old, assuring miracle:

is fresh as heretofore:

And earth takes up its parable of life from death once more.”

― John Greenleaf Whittier

“Following dark winter’s strife, a warm air rises, teemed with life. Birth, rebirth, as the waiting die. Old love, new love sprouts wings to fly.”

― Phar West Nagle

“Slush is frozen over. People say that winter lasts forever, but it’s because they obsess over the thermometer. North in the mountains, the maple syrup is trickling. Brave geese punch through the thin ice left on the lake. Underground, pale seeds roll over in their sleep. Starting to get restless. Starting to dream Anna Yackle - IHLS:  What is the weather like where you are? Down here in Carbondale it is icy. We are having thunder and  mixed precipitation.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  What is the weather like where you are?

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  What is the weather like where you are.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Sorry, I was not seeing my posts. But I am curious?

Kami - Germantown:  Ice everywhere, snow/sleet now.  School was cancelled. Fun times!!

Angie -- Trenton Public:  Same as Kami, here in Trenton

Angie -- Trenton Public:  I've had 2 patrons in the library so far. 

Michelle Sawicki Barclay PLD:  Thank you for the quotes. Just getting to read them now. It is getting icy here. We are pondering closing early.

Vicki Obermann:  We've had one person in since we opened - closing at 2

Kami - Germantown:  We usually open at 1 today, but I decided to stay closed since the next round of sleet is coming soon.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  Here in Raymond, we've had a few hours of frozen rain falling, now it is snowing.  The schools shut down at 1pm, so we did too.

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  Hi Everyone, In Staunton we closed at noon.. sleeting now, snow is not far behind

Ginger - Athens:  Schools in Athens are holding out through the end of the day. Just a dusting of snow and a little ice under it.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Yes we are having ice and thunder.

Deb Mason Paxton Carnegie:  Pretty quiet in Paxton so far. Pretty dark out though.

Carol, Ashley Public:  Raining here at Radom,

Vicki Obermann:  Yikes Anna!  Stay safe!

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  I am now is my home office- school closed at 11 30 am here.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  "...the overwhelmed overthinker" haha how many here can attest to being that!

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Sharla I think I need that on a tee shirt.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  State Snow plow just went by, there was an icy layer on the highway. Not much big truck traffic today.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  Anna, I like the entire name, "Decluttering and Intentional Living for the Overwhelmed Overthinker". I've really been into organizing and decluttering and it has really helped me with feeling overwhelmed!

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  @  Sharla- I love that -- feeling it here. It was quite an ordeal to figure what time to close earlier with the morning crew. We ended up following close behind the schools early departure

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Well I am glad you could all join us and I hope you are safe and warm.  I found when I would occasionally drive from Carbondale to Chicago I would go though at least 4 weather zones. When I would drive down from Chicago to visit my family near East Peoria there was one viaduct on 55 that it would be raining on one side and not the other.

Debbie Greene:  There is a saying  "If you don't like the weather in southern Illinois, stick around.  It will change. soon."

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  @Anna- this is our weather- It feels like every Thursday now we are dealing with this stuff.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Sharla and Julie, I hear you. I keep working on decluttering at home and need to do my office as well.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  Hi Julie! My clerk called to tell me the schools were closing and could I come in to relieve her or should she shut her down. So freaky how this weather activates all of our Octogenarians to come to our library! I should have really shut down last Saturday as we had so much ice under the melting snow in our parking lot.

Carol, Ashley Public:  Just hoping no one loses power in all this weather!

Jackie CAMP:  Ha ha Sharla, we say the same thing, the bad weather seems to draw the older folks in our community to get out and come to the library.

Julie Jarman (Staunton):   I went in earlier to discuss it with my two morning clerks plus grab a few things I could work on at home-- There was maybe four people in there from 10 until 11 30 so most are staying inside.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  I want to thank those of you who have completed the ILL traffic survey and Certification. Those of you who haven't don't forget March 15 is fast approaching.

Veronika Sallie Logan PL:  We're okay right now in Murphysboro, but we're worried it'll get icy once it's dark out

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Carol I am glad you joined us. I don't think you have shared your plans with the group.

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  @Jackie and Sharla, my older patrons came yesterday and stocked up.

Angie -- Trenton Public:  @Anna If we have done it and go to do it again, will it let us know?  I can't remember if I did it initially.

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  I have mine done.. YAY!!!

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  I am charging all my electronics just in case.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Angie when we are done here I will check.

Kami - Germantown:  I have a flashlight and a pile of books waiting.. just in case.  :-)

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Julie that is a great idea!

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  My reports are all finished. Now I have to get into finding GRANTS!

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  Yes, have to have those books in a snow storm.

Ginger - Athens:  I really need to finish Summer Reading plans.

Jackie CAMP:  Does anyone have a friend or family that is from Turkey? We are going to do a program for tweens and we would love to have a guest speaker. I have reached out to the Turkish students organization at U of I but never heard back.  We are located just 20 miles south of Champaign and we would be willing to pay mileage.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Kami, I love your low tech plan similar to mine except mine includes candles.

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  @Sharla my octogenarian dad always took bad weather as a challenge. He would find things he just had to get out and do.  He's settled down a bit more lately as he's gotten less sure on his feet.

Twilla Coon:  Rain here

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  After being closed Monday, we had a grand slam of a Tuesday. Wednesday was pretty slow, everyone is supplied. Glad to see our delivery was canceled due to weather, hate to think of our delivery people out driving in dangerous weather.

Kami - Germantown:  @ Anna- candles would be more calming.  :-)

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  Now that masks mandates are lifting, is anyone changing or opening up more of their libraries to programming, etc?

Ginger - Athens:  @Jackie, my sister-in-law's sister and family live in Turkey. Are you wanting someone who lives in the US now though?

Veronika Sallie Logan PL:  @Julie- We're not ready to lift mask mandates but we are doing more programming.

Deb Mason Paxton Carnegie:  We are going to masks optional on Monday. We've been doing some programming, but hopefully will keep moving forward as things hopefully continue to improve!

Kami - Germantown:  @Julie - we are waiting until April to bring back a few programs.  We are having the carpet replaced in March so it will give us time to see if the numbers stay down.

Carol, Ashley Public:  @Anna, I must say, I have enjoyed library land more than any other job I have ever had. And a lot of the credit goes to all of you! The directors' emails have helped guide me along the way. You are all so kind and helpful. It has just been an amazing experience. But, after I DID NOT hire a board member in May, I have been under constant attack. My husband and I talked about it a lot. With my husband losing his battle with cancer in January, I am just done. The board hired a director this week. I will be around for a couple months training her.

Jackie CAMP:  I was hoping for someone close but if I could even zoom them in it would be great. So many of our kids are not exposed to different cultures and we would love for them to be even on a small scale

Sherry Waldrep - Allerton PL:  we've been doing programming - now we can do it with masks recommended.  Hope to add some more programs as the year goes on

Ginger - Athens:  Jackie - send me an email. This family has older elementary kids and a tween. I could ask them.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  I am most proud of one of the programs I've created in my first year of directorship. I started a senior exercise class 3x a week the last week of October. We now have a steady six coming every M, W and F from 10-11 for my free program. We've all experienced strength and balance improvements. One of my friends is almost 94 and she is a regular! Two 90 year olds, 3/4 70s and a few of us 60s.

Carol, Ashley Public:  @Anna  Anna has attened several of our meetings and couldn't believe it. I was in shock at what was happening. So sad, so unnecesary.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Carol, I am so sad you are leaving .

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Sorry I'm late!

Jackie CAMP:  I love that Sharla!

Kristina Benson-Du Quoin:  @Carol.  Thank you for sharing that.  Wishing you happiness. 

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  Oh Carol, my sympathies to you! I'm sorry you're making such a huge decision in your first year of grief. But my well wishes to you for sure!

Carol, Ashley Public:  @Anna  I just don't know how anybody could fix the situation. Your help, guidance and knowledge have meant the world to me during this very difficult time.

Ashley - Caseyville PLD:  We are being very selective with our programming and library services. My staff feel the whiplash from this rollercoaster ride of a pandemic. Going so quickly from curbside only to masks recommended have some staff members feeling uneasy. So I am being cognizant of my staff. Also, the majority of our patrons are more concerned with basic needs|social services and supports than they are about library programs and events.

Jackie CAMP:  Wishing you all the best Carol

Julie Jarman (Staunton):   Sorry everyone.. No judgement here on whether you will continue the mask policy or not- I should have worded that better. I know that every area and county of IL could be different in those rates of infections, etc Staunton is going to mask optional. Numbers of infection have finally went down.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Sharla, I would love that class. I am trying to stave off knee replacement so I have been doing physical therapy for my knees for the past 6 weeks and have 6 more then i will need something else, a program like yours is a real benefit for the community.

Jackie CAMP:  We are going mask optional and we started in person programs back in Feb but the snow has really put a damper on those.

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  @Carol.  I'm so sorry to hear that.  I hope you can find some enjoyment.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  I hope those of you going mask optional will feel less stress after battling with the unwilling for so lone.

Kami - Germantown:  I tried a few Third Thursday storytime evening events, but only had one family show up.  They had fun, but I was disappointed with the turn out.

Michelle Sawicki Barclay PLD:  @Carol, I am so sorry you had to go through that. Whether you plan to retire or go somewhere else, I hope you find peaceful days ahead.

Sherry Waldrep - Allerton PL:  @Kami - we have not had much success with evening family programs either.  Our Sat. morning programs are our best option

Kami - Germantown:  @Sherry - good to know. May have to try that.

Angie -- Trenton Public:  We have consistently held our book club meetings throughout this entire pandemic, but I am hoping to start up storytimes as soon as possible, but it looks like it might be fall before that can happen.  :(

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  we are thinking of moving slowly -- maybe begin a lego club, do a younger version of book club for 5th grade and up-- we have a high school group now doing book club. Story time might come back around April if everyone is comfortable with that. still doing monthly grab bags but maybe there is a faint light up ahead to try these things again.

Kami - Germantown:  \\

Carol, Ashley Public:  I am proud of what I did at the library. I feel I have left it far better than when I started. I feel a sense of peace because my husband is not suffering and I can move on from the library.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  I think a lot of people are so used to staying home and not doing things, it's going to be a slow process to start back up again. My husband and I were saying that we have not been to a movie in two years!

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  I think it will be interesting watching how people respond to this next phase.  I am tired of wearing my mask but still a little concerned. However, I just spoke to someone who got back from a trip to New Orleans and Florida. She and her husband had all of there shots, wore masks and social distanced and they both got covid.  They both had underlying conditions so they also got the medicine that helps once you get it. So I guess we now just continue to take our chances.

Kristina Benson-Du Quoin:  Totally, off-topic.   Does anyone else feel conflicted about renewing their Kaspersky anti-virus?

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  Carol- sorry to see you leave library land- It sounds like a terrible spot to be in -- I wish you the best.

Ashley - Caseyville PLD:  Our local school district when masks recommended but not required and 75-80% of students are still choosing to wear their masks everyday.

Sherry Waldrep - Allerton PL:  We have been running programs since the fall - everyone came in masked.  Will be interesting to see what people will do now that masks are not required. Most of my staff will continue to wear one.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  I just left Mascoutah School district, so of course talk to my friends there. They are mask optional there and are seeing more than 75% of teachers and students still choosing to wear masks.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  @Carol, I made several trips to your library and I can say you have done a great job and you got that lovely grant for the library. That grant improved your communities access to  job interviews, doctors appointments, court appearances, etc.

Ashley - Caseyville PLD:  All of my staff will continue to wear a mask when working directly with patrons.  At least for the foreseeable future.

Michelle Sawicki Barclay PLD:  @Sharla, that exercise class sounds great!

Kami - Germantown:  We will be going mask optional, but I will be wearing mine for quite some time.  Especially when the school groups are visiting.

Carol, Ashley Public:  The grant do so MUCH for our little library! It was sure worth the time and effort to try!

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  @Ashley, you mentioned social and economic conditions that your patrons need help with. Is this standard or increased because of covid?

Carol, Ashley Public:  @Anna Bet the grant committe couldn't believe our computers were 11 yrs old!!!

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  Anna, here is the youtube site we do following on our large Smart TV. He is a physical therapist specializing in seniors and has about 40 videos. We all enjoy his workouts. That it is free for us to provide this and our patrons are so appreciative and happy that our library is providing this service.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Carol, I was shocked they were that old and still in use.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Sharla, I love the way you made that work.

Carol, Ashley Public:  @Sharla  Dumb question: can you let patrons watch a youtube program with no license, etc.?

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  Our monthly book club is active in person since November, we're on our 4th good book with several new members last month.

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  Out school was forced into optional wearing of masks.. Lots of hard feelings here - masks vrs anti mask.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  @ Carol, yes. I checked on it and we are legal. I have bought a license to show movies for approx. $165 a year and several patrons asked me "why don't you just do youtube movies?" I didn't know it was legal to do them.

Ashley - Caseyville PLD:  It is pretty standard but has definitely increased during the pandemic. Anything from applying for utility and rental assistance, job applications and resume help, applying for social security, unemployment paperwork, etc. And if we (our social workers) are not helping them directly with the forms, we are printing | faxing | scanning documents for them.

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  I have a staff member who keeps naming new physical limitations.  I want to be respectful of her limits, but it's getting a bit ridiculous what she claims she can't do.  Can I ask her for any medical proof or recommendations? 

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  More and more of that staff member's work seems to fall to me or others.  I can't keep shouldering her work and mine.

Carol, Ashley Public:  @Sharla Does your smart tv record? Where did you get it? Did they install it?

Ashley - Caseyville PLD:  60% of the families in the school district are considered low-income and 90% of the students in Caseyville Elementary qualify for the free and reduced lunch program. Not to mention the amount of students and families that are ELLs

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  I am interviewing for a new clerk on Saturday. I'm so excited to do this. I've been rounding up paperwork on responsibilities, etc off of our email forum for at least six months. I need ENTHUSIASM for our programs and library. Any good questions for finding that out?

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Erin I think you could ask for a doctors statement for the limitation and recommended accommodations. I can ask our HR people for you if you would like

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  Yes, please ask your HR people.  I would really appreciate some guidance. 

Debbie Greene:  Seems to me that a person who was hied for a certain position must fulfill his or her duties, assuming they signed a job description.  ??

Kami - Germantown:  @ Sharla - I would ask what they like about the library, what they don't like and how they might change it if there were no limitations such as time/money etc.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  @Carol, last summer I did a children's program called, "The Birds of Raymond" and invited a local couple who are the bird and gardening experts around here. It was a fabulous program, I had two parts of the program on backing Saturdays. Great turnout. Anyway, he had his computer synched to the Smart TV and taught me how to do it! I don't know if it records or not!

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  @ Erin- I have a sheet of what the job demands - I give it to the potential employee before hiring. It is really helpful in determining what the job entails. like being able to lift books to sort on higher shelves, picking up trash cans for disposal, etc.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Erin it is a tough spot but you need some one you can rely on and allows you to do your own work.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  Julie could you email me your job demands sheet? ?

Jackie CAMP:  We have a patron that is making flyers at the library saying he owns all of these businesses and small town everyone knows where he is making them, so now people are coming to the library wanting me to stop him. I have had to call our attorney and now I have to give this guy a letter stating he cannot do this and my staff is nervous because he is obviously mentally ill.

Carol, Ashley Public:  @Sharla Oh wow, that was great! I think I have found one more project before I leave...

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  Yet, when I get back to the office on Monday. It's in our policy manual-- I will make a note of that-- No prob.

Michelle Sawicki Barclay PLD: can ask for a doctor's note. The way I have put it to staff is that I need to know what I can/cannot assign them to do..

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  @ Sharla-- LOL-- i meant to type YES I will send that to you next week.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  I have been incorporating our Smart TV in all of my children's programs as well. I always find an exercise video for them to let out some creative steam!

Jackie CAMP:  I am writing a book one day on all the stuff librarians deal with.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Sharla, I would ask them if they like people and if they have a favorite age group.  I have interviewed people who thought they would jut be quiet and read books in the library. WE are definitely in the people business and you have to want to help them find what they want or need.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  @ Jackie, it can be mindblowing the drama that comes to our little library!

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  For the interview, stress how much customer service is involved. Not everyone realizes how customer centric the role is.

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  Love what you are doing at Raymond Sharla

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  Thank you all for the input.  I am just nervous about addressing the problem but it is getting ridiculous.  She fell during the last ice but didn't tell me for days.  Now she keeps talking about it.  That is making me nervous also. 

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  We should start a chat about those exciting and unbelievable library stories- only no names please because of the confidentiality rules. LOL

Michelle Sawicki Barclay PLD:  @Erin ADA


Under the ADA, an employer can ask for medical proof when the employee is requesting an accommodation or if the employer has an objective basis to believe the employee cannot perform the essential functions of his or her job because of an impairment. Such medical documentation does not have to include the specifics of the employee’s impairment; rather it is considered sufficient if the documentation explains the nature, severity, and duration of the impairment; the activities that are limited; the extent of the employee’s ability to do his or her job; and why reasonable accommodations are needed. from

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  Yes, Anna! I came in early a few weeks ago and my clerk was sitting peacefully at the desk reading her own book. I had really busted my hump the prior day working hard all 8 hrs. I gave her a verbal warning that we don't sit and read or do anything else when so much work needs to be done. She's back on track and working hard everyday. I like to convey that this is a "hard working person's job"!

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  @Ashley, giving people the forms is a huge help. So many people do not even know how to get started. I used to work where patrons could book an hour on my time to help them with resumes, applications, business and legal resources etc. Some of the forms were a challenge for me with a masters degree. I sometimes feel that some agencies should offer free training classes for libraries and reimburse us in some way.

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  The snow plows are going by.. Yay for snow plows

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  Thanks, Michelle. 

Jackie CAMP:  yes @Julie

Angie -- Trenton Public:  I am a little worried about the sharing of specific employment issues since these chats are available for anyone to read.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  @Michelle, you are brilliant thank you so much for sharing that.

Ashley - Caseyville PLD:  Yes Anna - agencies teaching classes or holding workshops would be a fantastic resource for our communities!

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  @Angie good point.  Thank you.

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  @Angie- good point--

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  Yes, Angie, thank you for that reminder!

Kami - Germantown:  Someday I want to do a program series on How to Adult - Things you need like insurance, how credit cards work, maintaining a home.  Things you don't learn in school.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Great idea, Kami!

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  @ Kami, that would be such a great program. I've been thinking about one for having 'a plan'. With a plan can be tricky enough, without one is how to get adrift and stay there. My own opinion of course. But that would be a great way to incorporate 'the plan'. I have been using Dave Ramsey as a financial coach and it has really gotten me back on track. I ordered his and his daughter's latest books and they were actually popular with parents to advise their teens!

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  I would love to have a basic employee law training course for trustees. Over this past year I have seen several examples of board actions creating hostile work environments. A few boards have bullies and the rest of the board is afraid of them. I think they all need to know the law, their responsibility and how to maintain a good relationship.

Ashley - Caseyville PLD:  Another innovative idea for your libraries - local governments and counties will be receiving additional funding for clean energy initiatives. I am going to try to have at least one charging station | spot in our library parking lot. I think public libraries are the perfect place to charge electronic vehicles. Access to free wifi, can check out materials, attend an event, and so on.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  That's a great idea, Ashley.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  We have an electric car, so we're always scouting places to charge.

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  @Anna that would be incredibly helpful. 

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  @AShley, love, love, love that idea.

Debbie Greene:  Does anyone know of a website to order specialized coffee mugs with something like "We love our library trustees!" on them?

Veronika Sallie Logan PL:  @Kami that's a good idea. Especially since regular people who are willing to volunteer at the library for a day are probably willing to help with an adulting series

Angie -- Trenton Public:  @Ashley -- I love that idea!  I would totally look into that myself, if my library had a parking lot.

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  @ Anna, that sounds like a necessary class.

Angie -- Trenton Public:  @Debbie Greene -- try Vista Prints.  I have used them for many printing needs

Debbie Greene:  Thank you!

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Debbie I can send you some names and will add that to the list of info I need to send you.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  I want to create something that helps people find all of the right places to click and look for on the OMA FOIS training page and also another document on hoe to order materials from outside of IHLS if you are not an OCLC member. I will be posting those things soon.

Debbie Greene:  Thank you, Anna!

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  Great Thanks Anna!

Sharla Riley~ Doyle Public Library:  The weather is letting up here, for the moment anyway.  Thanks to everyone for being here and have a great weekend.  Thank you Anna, for all that you put out!

Vicki Obermann:  Thank you Anna!!

Kami - Germantown:  Thank you, everyone for all of the helpful information.

Julie Jarman (Staunton):  Thanks everyone. Thanks Anna for doing this from your home office today

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Well we have reached the 2:00 mark great chatting. STay safe and we can talk next Thursday  but you can reach out to  Leah, Ellen or myself anytime.

Vicki M Carr South Macon Public Library:  Have a great rest of the week, stay safe.

Anna Yackle - IHLS:  Bye! Thanks for stopping by.

Erin-Crab Orchard Public Library:  Thanks everyone.  See you next week.