TRANSCRIPT: IHLS Directors' Chat - March 24, 2022

TRANSCRIPT

Directors' Chat
Thursday, March 24, 2022

 

IHLS Admin:  Here is a quote in honor of the first day of Spring which was Sunday March 20, 2022 :   "Spring is the time of plans and projects.” — Leo Tolstoy

Carrie Winkelmann - Petersburg PL:  I have a question to start off.  Has anyone purchased any STEM/STEAM kits (curriculum & supplies together) that you love and would reccomend?

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  Welcome everyone and thank you for getting the conversation rolling  Carrie.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Hi everybody!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  I would be interested to know that too Carrie!

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Hi everyone!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Carrie. I've never used them before but I've heard the bristlebots and the electric (little lights) that you can use on potatoes or bananas is pretty cool

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  HI! Hope everyone i staying warm and dry~

Deb Sherrick- Greenup Township Public Library:  Good afternoon!

Sandy West - RLCA:  Does anyone have a good indigenous dance group contact or indigenous artist they know of?

Annette Columbia Public:  Do we know if any of the gmail issues have been resolved as far as those that have been declined?

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  @Annette-----that's a Troy Brown question, I believe!

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  @Carrie - my head librarian thinks that Marshall Public Library has some kits.  You might reach out to them?

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  @ Carrie---that might be a good question for the Directors' listserv.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  I have a couple of questions today too. Is there anyone on here who uses OCLC Worldshare instead of Share?   I need to change our address in the system and can't figure out where to change that default. 

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  I have used OCLC, and changing info is harder than it should be.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Answer

Login to OCLC Service Configuration.

Click WorldShare ILL > Borrower Data > Borrowing Library Information > Shipping and Contact Info.

Update your Shipping and Contact Information.

Click Save. Page ID.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  @Annette,  I have not heard of any changes.  As Ellen says more of a Troy question. But those of you who might be considering the free Microsoft options, John Knirr is very helpful and knowledgeable.

Annette Columbia Public:  Thank you.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Thanks Leah! I got it!

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  I have to google it every time.

Kelsey Schaep --Nashville PL:  Hello everyone! Does your library allow renewals on new books? How long are their loan periods?

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  @Shelley, this is not a direct answer to your question but an unsubtle direct plug for Share. Now that you are in your  new building and looking at everything with a fresh eye I invite you to take another look at Share. It really is great.

Sandy West - RLCA:  Did anyone opt to do the virtual PLA conference?

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  @Sandy, I could not figure out the cost. How much is it.

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  @ Kelsey - We do not allow renewals on new books.  The loan period is the same as every other book - 3 weeks. 

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD:  @Kelsey--we allow new items to be renewed, if there are no holds on them. We check out for 14 days with one renewal.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Leah. lol. I was actually on the right track to figuring it out on my own as you sent that. Glad I was headed in the right director but good to know for sure.

Sherry - Allerton Public Library:  @Kelsey - We allow renewals as long as someone else doesn't have a hold on the item

Darcy Wallace Watseka Public Library:  @kelsey 2 weeks and we will  renew if you ask nicely

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Kelsey. We do allow renewals on new books. I think it's only 1 renewal. I'll double check

Teresa (Paris):  @Kelsey: Our new books are 3 weeks, no renewals.

Sandy West - RLCA:  @Anna - you are right, really what I see is the $330 price, but surely that can't be virtual.

Teresa (Paris):  We started the process of moving from Google to Microsoft this morning.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Anna. I am definitely willing to take another look at Share. Not sure if it's worth the big budget expense. I was told it was about $8000 for a neighboring library? Surely I heard that wrong? I thought it would only be  in the $100's? Is there a conversion chart I can see to figure out what it would cost my library now?

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  @Kelsey - we allow two renewals on all items unless there are holds.

Kelsey Schaep --Nashville PL:  Thanks everyone!

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  We will also adjust due dates for patrons taking items on vacation or for school - again as long as there are no holds.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  @Shelley, that would be a Casandra issue.

Sandy West - RLCA:  @Kelsey, RLCA is part of the new common loan group. Any cataloged material gets 3 weeks with 2 renewals.  There is a very rare amount of material that we hold as "new.."

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Shelby, we can have Cassandra reach out to you.

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  @Shelley.  The best thing to do is get a quote from Cassandra Thompson.    You can also look at this part of their website:  https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fshare.illinoisheartland.org%2Fjoin&data=04%7C01%7C%7C87f1b0a96fbb48c48ccc08da0dca2d44%7Cad3877b36b3b4c2c878f78e3a8da1075%7C0%7C0%7C637837459304405261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=8%2F4OfwARxmTgaoBoxvTR1vutx%2FeGaAZHIvN3ayp6ixM%3D&reserved=0

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  @Sandy, Ellen informed me that PLA is going on right now.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  I meant Shelley, I'm sorry!

Kelsey Schaep --Nashville PL:  Thanks Sandy! We don't have a large book budget and our new shelves have been looking pretty bare lately.

Teresa (Paris):  @Shelley. Are you talking about the cost to start up with SHARE or the annual cost? Sounds high to me, either way.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Leah. Yes please. Have Cassandra reach out to me. I'll tell her what our book or overall budget/income is and it would be helpful to figure out what the rate might be and whether it's worth pursuing. It's often too expensive for us smaller, rural libraries sadly.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Leah. Wasn't offended. No problem

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Teresa. ummm.....both

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  I was looking at the lb in your last name.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  ha ha. that's ok. I'm not an easily offended person unless someone is purposefully rude. lol

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  @Shelley---Anna was right, the best thing to do is have that conversation with Cassandra!

Angie -- Trenton Public:  For a completely unrelated question.....for those of you that do not do DOG (delivery on the go) items, I am curious as to why?

Amy Byers - Chatham APLD:  I thought I'd share something that we've done that might be valuable to some here.  We typically have an American Girl program each year, but this year, we decided to break it up into separate programs, all throughout spring break.  So, we are highlighting American Girl Josifina with programs related to her stories. So, we've had a flower making program, we had musicians in last night and  goats on Friday. Wild, but so much fun.  It's been better for us, to be more inclusive to boys who wouldn't normally come to our American girl event.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Ok. So the other librarian I talked to it was right. It's $4,000 to start up, and $2,500 to migrate data into the system. Sorry! But $6,500 is waaaay to much for a small library.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Anna see above

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Is there a way to post a picture in here? I took a snapshot of what I found.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  @Thanks for asking that question. Please be honest with your reasons. We only want to improve service so feedback is always helpful.

Sara - LitchfieldPLD:  @Amy we had AG club a long time ago... it was a lot of fun

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  That sounds fun, Amy!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  So that amount for share would be 22% of my book budget!

Kami Komm - Germantown:  @ Angie- what are the procedures for DOG?

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  @Shelley,, it's still worth a conversation with Cassandra, who can go into all the details with you.  She's out this week, but will be back on Monday!

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  With DOG, we have a delivery bag for items that go to the libraries on our route that come after us. We have a list we keep near the ILL bins of those libraries, though most of us have them memorized now.

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD:  @Shelley--SHARE has been having discussions about finding grants to cover the implementation costs for small libraries. We've done it in the past and it worked really well.

Teresa (Paris):  @Shelley: Back in 2008, when we joined what was then LINC, we applied for some grants that helped with startup costs.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  I am sorry Shelley I did not mean to cause a kerfuffle,  there are many advantages to being a part of Share. I wish it could be affordable for everyone.

Sherry - Allerton Public Library:  @Angie - I'd love to do DOG but I think we are the last stop

Angie -- Trenton Public:  We just lay them on top of our boxes so that the drivers can put them in the respective boxes that day.  We only have  3 public libraries  that deliver after us or 9 total, with 3 public and 6 schools.

Kami Komm - Germantown:  @ Bobbi - aha!!  I will need to find the route list and see who is on the list.  Thank you!!

Ryan Reitmeier - Taylorville Public Library:  @Anna was a bit sad to hear that IHLS wasn't promoting the database initiative that RAILS was pushing for. Is there a reason stated that this was avoided?

Darcy Wallace Watseka Public Library:  Doesn't Ingram also give a discount for SHARE member?

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  @Darcy - Yes, typically around 43%

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Esther. That sounds amazing! I hope that can start that grant back up or continue that.

Sandy West - RLCA:  @Kami - there is a delivery list for each route. when you look at the list , find your library's name and then any library below that would be the next stops. There are blue mailers that we use and we put the routing sticker on the outside and highlight the library. The patron gets the item quicker than returning to the hub and rerouting.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  Though that's for all IHLS members, I believe

Sara - LitchfieldPLD:  I get that discount from Ingram. It's from IHLS not Share

Darcy Wallace Watseka Public Library:  @shelley the savngs from Ingram may help make it more affordable to yu

Danielle Beasley - Communications Coordinator:  @Kami, more info on DOG can be found here: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.illinoisheartland.org%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2Fdelivery-go-dog&data=04%7C01%7C%7C87f1b0a96fbb48c48ccc08da0dca2d44%7Cad3877b36b3b4c2c878f78e3a8da1075%7C0%7C0%7C637837459304405261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=XpbcTz3A8A18ijXjMUQkQCJ89Qy2FwyOvc%2Fm2QzAYo8%3D&reserved=0

Kami Komm - Germantown:  @ Sandy - thank you!!  I will add it to my list of things to learn about.  :-)

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Anna you did not cause a kerfluffle.  I'm still willing to talk to Cassandra to confirm. But I definitely would be interested in those Share grants if they ever come back around or are still being offered.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  @Amy, I love that that programming makes it more inclusive for boys.

Kami Komm - Germantown:  @ Danielle - Awesome!!  Thanks!!

Angie -- Trenton Public:  @Kami --- It is on the delivery portion of the SHARE website.  I printed 2 out and highlighted the names.  1 with just the public libraries and 1 with all of the libraries, but noting that DOG delivery doesn't happen in the summer with schools out, etc.

Kami Komm - Germantown:  @ Angie - Good to know.  I will keep that in mind for summer.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Darci and Bobbi. Ingram offers 40% discount to all public libraries so the discount is just 3% more then I believe.

Darcy Wallace Watseka Public Library:  ahhhh.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  I has a final question. Then I'll stop talking and let others ask questions.      -      Does anyone have any limits on how many interlibrary loans one can have out at a time? Is that allowable?   (We have a very transient population due to housing, so we have had ILL's never come back a few times).

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  I don't believe there is a specific limit in IHLS, but you could make a limit at your library.

Sandy West - RLCA:  @shelley that would be up to your library's circulation policies. It is not set my the system.

Deb Mason Paxton Carnegie:  I have about 6 different opinions about what we should do when a book listed as "lost" shows up here. Is there a policy or procedure listed somewhere that we can follow?

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Ok. That's what I thought. I didn't think there were any system limitations or anything. But wanted to confirm.  We usually do 3-4 and feel that is perfect for everyone. We haven't had too many complaints that 3 isn't enough.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Deb I recommend getting different policies from different libraries to adapt and make your own and then present to the board for discussion.

Sandy West - RLCA:  I mentioned a few sessions about that RLCA is hosting a local author.  I don't have the flyer yet, but the date is 4/18/22 and the first presentation will begin at 10 a.m. Everyone is welcome to join us.  Jamie Colgrave Harland wrote the children's book "Ave and Abel Learn they are Able" 

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Deb. We give families/patrons 1-2 months to look for a lost book before we officially charge for it. It seems to work well. Usually they find it within that time period.  P.S. We got ahead and mark the book as lost so it's in the system, but don't charge until after that period of time.

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  @Shelley My patrons borrowing from other libraries makes up about 29% of our total cirulation. What I send out makes up about another 30% of my total circulation. That might be something for you to consider for your patrons and/or circulation when looking att he cost of SHARE.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  I think a lot of libraries really handle that differently. I feel my library is super generous about it. But it helps create goodwill with patrons and get books back.

Deb Mason Paxton Carnegie:  @Shelley....these are books that belong to other libraries, that show up here in our book drop.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Monica that is a very important considerations. I'm going to look at that real quick. That's a really good idea. Justifying a cost to board that doesn't want to spend anything over a $400-500 is another issue for me.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Deb. OOOOOOOOHHHH! That's a very different issue then.

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  @Shelley It might be a good idea to get some stats from libraries about your size to see how much borrowing their patrons do from SHARE libraries.

Sherry - Allerton Public Library:  @Deb if the patron has not paid for the item, we checked it in, and waive the cost of the item (& processing fee)  if it's been charged to their account.  The patron may be charged the overdue costs though depending on the borrowing library.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Deb. When patrons ask me if they can drop off a book at our library from another library, I always tell them "You certainly are welcome to, but you are subject to that libraries fine policies".

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  But you can't really help it if they just show up in your drop box either.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  Just want to call your attention to two trustee training events. https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ila.org%2Fevents%2Ftrustee-workshops&data=04%7C01%7C%7C87f1b0a96fbb48c48ccc08da0dca2d44%7Cad3877b36b3b4c2c878f78e3a8da1075%7C0%7C0%7C637837459304405261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=LHc6xNjZ5xTrdNFEkEz8%2FE2ffXPogosHuk4xtVaZTDQ%3D&reserved=0

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Monica. Most of the libraries in my area don't do Share for the same reasons. Very costly.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Anna. Thank you. Passing it on to my board.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  Saturday, April 2, 10:00 -  11:30 a.m.

Library Director Evaluation

One of the most important roles of the Board of Trustees is to hire the director and work with them to ensure that goals are met. Evaluating the director can feel overwhelming, but it doesn't have to be.​ Join a panel of library trustees from across the library landscape who have worked to develop processes that work for their boards and provide successful results. Evaluating the director is not a one-size fits all endeavor, and this program will give you a wide range of examples and options that you can take back to your library to use with confidence.

 

Speakers: Panel of Library Trustees to be announced Deb Mason Paxton Carnegie:  @Shelley..thank you!

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  Saturday, May 14, 10:00 - 11:30 a.m.

Streamlining the Budget Process

Ever notice how easily a fish glides through the water and think, “I wish our annual budget, appropriation and levy process could feel that way?" In this session, we’ll add to budgeting basics with a deeper dive into the budget & appropriation, levy ordinances, and other legally required reports. We’ll relate these to your budget planning and process so that everything flows together. If your library maintains multiple funds: why do you have them and do you have the funds you need? Time permitting, we’ll also take a moment to reflect on the impact of inflation on your budget and how to plan for it. There are multiple approaches to budgeting, and one of them will feel best for you. I’m hoping that you’ll leave this year’s session with the confidence to take a fresh look at your annual financial documents rather than simply updating last year's just because “they worked."

 

Speaker: James Rachlin, Meristem Advisors, L.L.C.

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Erin Steinsultz -Crab Orchard Public Library:  @Shelley I don't know your library size, but my library is very small.  We love SHARE.  I feel like it's a great added value to my patrons. It gives them access to so much more than I could afford at this library. 

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  @Shelley I serve a population of 4700 and my patrons typically borrow around 6,200- 7,000 items a year from SHARE.

Sherry - Allerton Public Library:  @Anna - would love to attend the budget but it's U of IL graduation!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Deb. If it's happening a lot, constantly, maybe consider putting a notice on your drop box about being subject to other libraries fine policies?

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Wow, Monica. That is great usage!

Darcy Wallace Watseka Public Library:  @Anna can directors take that budgeting workshop too?

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Monica! That's amazing. I'm going to send you a private chat. Would love to hear how that works for you. Budget wise.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  Erin is hosting a fun Trivia Night event this Saturday and a team from the IHLS Carbondale Hub will be taking on all comers. In honor of  the Heartland in our name we will be the Heartbreakeres.

Sandy West - RLCA:  @Shlley - Wow that is some borrowing - you would think that your board would see the benefit of becoming a SHARE member. What does just your own item circulation count look like?

Don, Philo:  I don't know what size Hillsboro is, but Philo serves 1900 and last year we received 3500 items from other libraries through SHARE.  Well worth the cost.

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  @Shelley Feel free to also call me any time 217-774-4432

Erin Steinsultz -Crab Orchard Public Library:  Thank you for the plug, Anna!  We looking forward to a great time at Trivia Night.  :)

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  @Don That's great! We can't possibly purchase or house everything our patrons want. I'm sure your library is the same.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  @SDarcy, yes. It is great to attend these and have your board members attend too. Trustee Forum Spring Workshops March 5, April 2, May 14 This year, the Library Trustee Forum is continuing its virtual Spring Workshops. Participants have the option of attending one, two, or all three sessions. Participants will be able to access the recordings following each session.

 

Registration Fees

ILA Institutional or Personal Member

 

All three webinars: $40

 

Individual webinars: $15

 

Non-Member:

 

All three webinars: $50

 

Individual webinars: $20

 

To register, please email ila@ila.org the following information:

Trustee name, trustee email address, library name and registration selection (all three webinars or individual webinar only). The deadline for registrations is the Friday before each event by 4 pm.

 

 

Sandy West - RLCA:  @Anna - love the trivia team name. hope you all do well @Erin - hope you are able to have a very successful night

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Sandy. I did the math and ILL is only  3% of our total physical circulation. (Not including ebooks)

Erin Steinsultz -Crab Orchard Public Library:  Thank you, Sandy!

Darcy Wallace Watseka Public Library:  Too bad our budget is due in April...

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Sandy.  I definitely believe Share is worth it. That's not the issue. And I think I can convince them it's worth it. But they don't like spending anything over $150-500 and grumble about those kind of things. We had to get a super cheap mail drop box because they didn't want to purchase the library grade drop boxes. I just don't think I can convince them to spend 22%+ of our book budget. So it's convincing the board to spend the money that's my issue.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Monica. I may need to call you to get some tips on how you convinced your board to spend the money.

Sandy West - RLCA:  One of the newest products SHARE is offering to members is the leasing of books - I love the concept and hope RLCA can participate because the costs is very minimal when you consider purchasing all the latest and greatest popular material out there.  The system is handling the drop off from the vendor, distributing the copies to the participating libraries, - all items are ready to circulation. When the material doesn't have the checkouts, you send it back to the system hub and they return them for us.

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  @Shelley NERDY SPREADSHEETS!!! Facts with numbers from libraries they think we should be similar to.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Oh great idea Monica!!!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  It's true that boards love it when we back up our stuff.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Maybe i'll ask around the small libraries that have share and see how much they think it increased library usage and circulation. That would be a way to convince them for sure!

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Shelley, I think Cassandra can help you with evidence, too.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Thanks everyone for all your help!

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  @Shelley - Maybe you should bring in some patrons who could lobby for SHARE and how much they would use/appreciate it.  I know two of our former patrons was distraught to learn that they actually were in your library district.  They would have rather paid our non-resident fee and still be able to use SHARE. 

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Thanks Leah!

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  Find out from Cassandra how many other libraries participate and the number of materials (if possible) it grants your patrons access to. It will be more than what you can purchase individual titles for.

Sandy West - RLCA:  @shelley - you should create a visual show of exactly the cost it would be if your patrons could not borrow from others and had to purchase every item they wished to read. Then add the visuals of SHARE, sometimes that is all it takes. Your one time migration fee really is the just a small amount for the borrowing power of 340+ agencies materials

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  Sandy and I are thinking alike!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Oh noooooo. Sorry to hear that Jo. I'm sad we disappointed them!

Sandy West - RLCA:  RLCA has an entire collection of just 8,000 maybe a bit more and we don't have the capacity to house much more than that.

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD:  @Shelley--you should also include the cost of staff salary to process all your ILLs. With SHARE the software does 95% of what you do manually.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Sandy. Good in theory, maybe not in practice. It's not like we don't do ILL. We do OCLC and it works just fine. We like it and never have a problem with it. Share might help us increase ILL borrowing though and possibly getting rare or new materials ?

Carrie Winkelmann - Petersburg PL:  @Shelley Hillsboro is twice the size of Petersburg and I can't imagine our library without share.  I could never keep all the books my patrons request here...

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  The mention of using spreadsheets and data to make your case I think that this program I saw  RAILS is offering:  "Data Forecasting: A Crash Course" Webinar, March 31

Data forecasting is used to predict outcomes based on historical and current data. These outcomes can be strategic decisions such as budgeting, acquisitions, patron behavior, and workforce planning. In this webinar, you will learn the basics of data forecasting and methods for implementation.          I thought is sounded interesting and wonder if you would like us to offer something like it.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Esther. I'm not following sorry. I'm not sure I understand.

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  @Anna YESSS!!!!

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  @Shelley - how much does it cost you to mail OCLC ILL?  SHARE brings them and picks them up.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Oh maybe I do. But that would be hard to figure out.

Darcy Wallace Watseka Public Library:  Any updates on Director's University?  will it be listed on L2 or should I be looking somewhere elese?

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Nothing! @ JO

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  That's why OCLC is awesome!

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  @Darcy - DU applications will be available next month. I do not have the exact date yet.

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  We will push the information out on the listservs and in as many places as possible once appications are live.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Jo We only pay $200-400 for ILL and can almost always get what we need unless it's been published within the past 6 months or if it's a rare and really old material.

Darcy Wallace Watseka Public Library:  @Bobbi  Thanks!

Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD:  You're welcome!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  The only time we pay to mail books is if it comes from out of state. How does that work with share? Does share pay for mailing of out of state books? How does that work?

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD:  @Shelley--you don't have to be exact. Say you spend 10 hours per week processing (in and out, and any notifications, etc) and then mulitply that by the salary and then by 52 to get a rough yearly average. You'll be suprised how quickly it adds up.

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  @Shelley - SHARE is only in Illinois

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  Thanks Bobbi! I was just scanning the ILA website to see if anything was posted yet about DU. Sarcy I will definitely make sure you get the information as soon as possible.

Darcy Wallace Watseka Public Library:  thanks Anna

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Jo. So pretty much the same benefits for either service then except one saves us a ton of money for purchasing books in our current collection.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  I hope everyone has or will complete ASAP  the ILLINET ILL Traffic Survey and Certification.

Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library:  My patrons mostly request their own material through SHARE from the OPAC. They love it!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  I do think SHARE would increase ILL requests though because patrons can request things ourselves vs. us requesting for them. So that's one of the biggest differences between Share and the state's OCLC that I know of.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  Sorry Shelley if you feel ganged up on. The choice is yours and IHLS loves all of our members equally.

Sandy West - RLCA:  Plus the SHARE mobile app puts the requesting even more readily into the hands of patrons.  Some of the libraries have opted to brand and are awaiting the self check method. 

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  I would throw in the  seamless integration of audio and e-books into the catalog and the Cloud Library app!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Anna. I do NOT feel ganged up on at all. It's clear everyone loves SHARE. That's a GOOD THING.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Thanks for being so considerate of my feelings Anna but it's all good.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Different boards, different budgets. All factors that matter.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  It's good to hear both sides.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  Shelley, glad you are taking it in that spirit. Just something to consider.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  I've always wanted to get Share, I think now is not the time with just having renovating our library and the library having a $1.4 million dollar renovation project. So I think it's still worth pursuing just maybe not at this time and not with my current board. I can't blame my board for being concerned about finances. That's very common for a lot of boards, but especially small, rural public libraries.

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  @Ellen. Is the Cloud Library free or part of Share? I've heard of that before.

Anna Yackle - IHLS :  Thank you everyone for dropping in. WE will meet again next week, same time, same place. Have a great weekend.

Erin Steinsultz -Crab Orchard Public Library:  Wow, Shelley!  Congratulations on the renovation. That is wonderful.

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  There is a cost for the Cloud LIbrary, but it's very reasonable.  Are you currently doing Axis 360?  It would be the same cost.

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  Enjoy your weekend!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Yep. Axis 360 Ellen. Might be worth adding that too. Thanks for the tip!

Ellen Popit/IHLS:  For a SHARE member, you'd just sub Cloud Library for Axis 360;

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Thanks everyone for all the great advice, opinions and thoughts. Sorry I took up a lot of the chat today. I didn't intend to do that.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Bye everyone!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  ooooh got it Ellen. Thanks!

Shelley Kolb (Hillsboro):  Bye everyone thank you!!